sorry about the “cheering-vs-shouting obscenities” discrepancy. sometimes due to my own laziness, fatigue, forgetfulness, etc, essential facts aren’t included in the main body of my blog posting, only to emerge through discussion. Or I only realise they become essential when comments begin to roll in. I understand that makes it a bit odd for commentators like yourself, when the “goalposts of truth” change en route…

I think that if a male punter in the crowd had been standing on a chair and shouting obscenities at the wrestlers, he would have been removed by a bouncer, rather than things getting to the point where Claudia could “take the law into her own hands”…

Tis fine with me to discuss this topic here, in “public” - the beauty of the web is that there’s no such thing as “clogging up”!

I do agree with this comment, but it’s one thing to be seeking attention and performing, and completely another thing to take the performance one step too far and begin preying and victimising other people.

Short left leg says:
‘Claudia claimed that she had been shouting obscenities at the wrestlers from her perch on the chair’

I’m sorry, previously you had only mentioned green-dress-girl “cheering” and “singing” prior to Claudia attempting to get her into the ring. But regardless of that, were other men in the club not “shouting obscenities at the wrestlers”? Why is it that when it’s a woman who’s doing it, the situation is completely different?

Short left leg says:
‘as Anne said, the green-dress-girl wasn’t doing herself any favours’.

And as Anne said “it was because there was the threat of sexual violence.”

I’m not trying to start an argument as to who was right and who was wrong - what I’m trying to point out is that there’s a definite element of sexism at play and issues such as these are still rampant in today’s supposedly progressive society.

Perhaps any further discussion of this topic should be done via email so as to prevent the clogging up of the ’sham…

nice to hear from someone who still has a slightly UP take on the evening. Like JP (our friendly Feminazi) says, all that happy fun was vaporised in a nano-instant. I remember thinking at the time it was a good thing you guys had called it a night. But it was cool to meet you too! JBD just yesterday filled me in that YOU’RE wife… wow, your sewing circle for Sheilafest sounded the best, wish I’d been there…

i actually enjoyed the night, but did feel a little uneasy with some of the guys there. most of them ignored me & my friends, but i did hear some homophobic comments pass by us when we were in the front bar. i must say, i enjoyed the stripping in the front bar a little more than the jelly wrestling. i think it was the lady in the sailor suit, all that teasing with her undies was just right for a wednesday night in the ’sham.

the second set of jelly wrestling was really boring! and as my friend, sarah, pointed out, the blonde wrestler won each time! (even though claudia is not a natural blonde).

i also liked the bar staff in their underwear, their tip jar was funny “considering what we’re wearing, you should leave a tip”, or something to that effect.

maybe i’ll go back on topless tuesday??

xxxo
wife.

And furthermore, as Anne said, the green-dress-girl wasn’t doing herself any favours. Claudia claimed that she had been shouting obscenities at the wrestlers from her perch on the chair. I didn’t hear these taunts myself, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. This is, I suppose, why Claudia confronted the green-dress-girl afterwards, because she felt she had been seriously insulted. Her actions could be perhaps excused as having happened in the “heat of the moment”.

Anyway, I suppose my concern is not to analyse the dispute between individual parties. I guess it was just interesting to see how quickly things moved from “hearty laughs” (as Janepolk says) to a more volatile mood.

It sounds like a competition/power-play for Claudia, who appears to be an attention-seeker and control freak! How dare she force another woman (or try to) into doing something she explicitly said “no” to? And then have the nerve to verbally attack her afterwards for not playing the game for the men? Disgusting! Absolutely disgusting!

Is Anyone still up for a night at Sydney’s Las Vegas at the marrickville RSL?

Anyway… it was fascinating, and I must say that the kind of ‘ironical’ pleasure I was getting earlier in the evening has been wiped out… forever?

I found the hammed-up lesbian action in the jelly ring, which was intended to tittilate the prediminantly male audience a tiny bit disturbing. Mainly because I’m in a Lesbian relationship and I hate to think of that form of lovemaking being turned into a spectacle for consumption by randy men. But it seemed like it was in a spirit of fun and was pretty cheesy, so I gave myself over to cheering them on and having fun with the situation.

The nasty turn of events that Lucas describes was scary! It was mob behaviour and there was a huge power imbalance�one petite woman and her female friend, versus a large, loud gaggle of looser louts. The worst thing about it was the assumption that if the green dress girl was wearing a skimpy outfit and making a spectacle of herself by standing on a chair and pumping the air�then she lost the right to say no to doing something she didn’t want to do!

DIDN’T WE ALREADY DEAL WITH THIS FUCKING QUESTION!!!!

When we stayed around to see she got away OK (she wasn’t doing herself any favours�mouthing off and being verbally aggressive right back at anyone who was yelling at her) it was because there was the threat of sexual violence.

When we were talking outside the pub, a flash yellow car full of more morons yelled out something in an ugly tone about whores. That really made me think about the background thinking of these men towards women.

As Jane my girlfriend said, I’m gald we saw that�not because she wanted it to happen or thought it was good, but because that’s the underside of that kind of show. and you might not realise it was there.

I don’t know if I’d want to go back, I feel very differently about it. And it makes me think more broadly about the whole issue of rape (or the threat of rape) which is still obviously such a real part of our lives.